The CyberCall Podcast
The Voice of Cybersecurity for MSPs & MSSPs!
The CyberCall is the weekly podcast where cybersecurity meets business reality. Hosted by Andrew Morgan, Founder of Right of Boom, this is the go-to show for Managed Service Providers (MSPs), virtual CISOs (vCISOs), and IT leaders navigating the complex world of cyber risk, compliance, and AI.
Each episode features raw, practical conversations with the sharpest minds in cybersecurity—from operators in the trenches to CISOs, researchers, policymakers, and toolmakers shaping the future. If you care about protecting your clients, growing your practice, and becoming the security partner businesses trust—this podcast is your playbook.
Co hosts: Phyllis Lee, VP of Content at CIS & Gary Pica, President of TruMethods
The CyberCall Podcast
The State of Pen Testing in 2025 & the Role of AI & Autonomous Solutions (with John Strand)
Today we’re talking about one of the biggest shifts in offensive security that MSPs, CISOs, and defenders cannot ignore.
For years, pen testing was about human creativity — sneaking in where we “shouldn’t” be, showing you how you’d really get burned in an incident. But in 2025, that world is colliding with AI and automated attack platforms that claim they can do it faster, cheaper, and nonstop.
So the question is: are we entering a golden age of continuous validation — or are we fooling ourselves with marketing and dashboards?
To dig into that, we’ve got one of the most trusted names in offensive security: John Strand, Founder of Black Hills Information Security.